Air France among A380 operators studying 11-abreast layout

How low will they go? That’s a reasonable question to pose to airlines now that some legacies are further tightening seat pitch – see American’s planned 29” pitch on three rows of the Boeing 737 MAX – and many are accepting delivery of long-haul aircraft with ultra-high-density configurations. During Air France’s recent Boeing 787-9 delivery flight from Boeing South Carolina to Paris, your author asked the question of management.

For starters, Air France has precisely zero interest in following the likes of French leisure carrier Air Caraibes and adopting a 10-abreast configuration for its forthcoming Airbus A350s (10-abreast A350s were initially advertised as featuring a super-snug 16.4″ seat width, though the airframer later said it was working to make the layout a smidge more comfortable).

“No. It is not our product. We will not do that to our passengers,” assured Nicolas Bertrand, VP Air France Fleet Management.

Interestingly, however, Air France does not believe passengers will notice the difference between its 9-abreast Boeing 787s (with 17”-wide economy class seats and 31” pitch) versus the forthcoming 9-abreast A350s with 18” seat width.

Is it a concern that passengers will make unfavorable comparisons between the two types, RGN asked? “No, I don’t think so,” said Bertrand. “I don’t think there is such a big difference … You know for the passengers, [it’s] difficult for them to recognize an aircraft…”

While Air France doesn’t seem interested in dipping below a 17” seat width for passengers, the carrier is studying an 11-abreast configuration for its A380 flagship aircraft. This despite the fact that some people shudder at the thought of being seated in the middle of 5 seats in a 3-5-3 configuration, and wonder about the living space of the window seat.

“We will retrofit our A380 cabin around 2020 because our priority today is to [retrofit the] 777s and then the A330s at the end of next year. But in 2020, yeah we’re studying a project to retrofit the cabin. And we are studying all possibilities including 11-abreast,” Bertrand revealed to Runway Girl Network.

A decision has not yet been taken, he said, but added that,

We are not the only one. Many of us [A380 operators] are looking at it.

Air France is also eyeing some of the “other options” aimed at densifying the A380, he said, including changes to the “stairs” (read details about Airbus’ new A380 ‘cabin enablers’ here). “If it will bring value to the aircraft, if we can densify the aircraft without [taking] too much comfort from the passenger, yes why not?”

An 11-abreast configuration showcased in 2015 by Airbus featured 18″ wide seats with the help of slimmed armrests and a ‘right-up-against-the-sidewall’ window seat. Image: John Walton

Passengers craving more space and comfort have the option of selecting Air France’s premium economy product, which is positioned 7-abreast on the 787 and features an enhanced 40” of seat pitch (versus 38” on the 777s). “So with this configuration [on the 787-9], it was optimal because business class is between door one and door two; then we have three rows of premium economy and the economy [cabin]. It was the optimum for this aircraft,” said Bertrand.

Overall, the carrier has received “very good feedback from our customers” for its premium economy offering across types; the product was first introduced in 2009. “We see and we are aware of the trend in the industry” of regular economy class flyers seeking out airlines that offer premium economy, said Bertrand. “More and more airlines are moving to [offer premium economy].”

Meanwhile, Air France is embracing the flexibility afforded it by adding the 787 to its fleet. When the carrier first ordered the twinjets, it faced “many questions at the time” as to “why did you order both aircraft”, the A330 and 787 since, it was argued that “they are so close”.

“No, no they are not so close,” insisted Bertrand.

“The 787 families are smaller; the A330 family is really bigger”, which in the future “will provide us more flexibility to decide what is the right need for the fleet … how the fleet will grow. We have flexibility.”

11-abreast as envisaged by Airbus in 2015. Image: John Walton

Air France covered RGN’s flights for this trip

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  1. Luke Vader

    With 16.4″ seat width, Air France might as well put in bleacher seating on their A380s. Given how French foods tend to feature smaller portions, perhaps they could find a way to market their economy class as chic, e.g. Aero Petit class.

    Come to think of it, maybe bleacher style seating would allow the airlines to charge airfare based on the desired/allocated seat width. For example, parents might pay for 15″ of seat width for their children while paying for 19″ width for themselves.


  2. Fergal

    Using the latest seat designs, like the cozy-suite or the staggered designs This years AIX, you could get space back. I think the standard seat rows as presented by Airbus dissuade this case for 11.

  3. monnides

    Good point Luke, I wonder Leahy agrees with 16.4 ” seat width, he also claim that Airbus seats are larger than Boeing…….

  4. “The 787 families are smaller; the A330 family is really bigger” Ccomment from Mr Bertrand. wrong. first the cabin width of a B-787 is 18 ft. the A-330 is 17ft 4 in. the proposed manufacturer seat across arrangement is 2-4-2 for the B-787 or 3-3-3 and 2-4-2 for the A-330 . the A-330 cannot accommodate 3-3-3. the B-787-8 has 242 pax, the 9 has 290 pax and the 10 has 330 pax. The 330-200 has 253 pax the 300 has 310 . Which is bigger ? please Mr Bertrand gets your facts together.

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